What would I do without them? Now, you may wonder why I say that. Well, if it wasn't for ICP, I wouldn'tve discovered NWA, Lifer's Group, Cykosis, and other such musicians I love. And don't get me wrong, I completely understand why many detest this duo.

What with their 'Miracles' video and all. Many people consider that they are not underground anymore.

They still are, they just have been getting media attention recently. ICP has great rapping skills. They're also funny and entertaining. I have read Violent J's autobiography, and I can tell you that ICP are not fake gangsters. They had a difficult life in poverty.

The discography of Insane Clown Posse, an American hip hop duo from Delray, Detroit composed of Joseph Bruce and Joseph Utsler, who perform under the respective personas of the wicked clowns Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope, consists of fifteen studio albums, fifty three singles, nine extended plays and seventeen compilations. Music videos and collaborations are also included, as are film.

And Violent J. Did you know he was molested as a child? Didn't think so. ICP even had their own gang, Inner City Posse. If an ICP hater listened to the early works, when they were known as Inner City Posse, they might like it. And I don't exclusively listen to ICP either. I'm a huge Genesis, Beatles, and Nirvana fan.

I love a lot of stuff. ICP is one of them, and I suggest you give 'em a second chance. ICP by themselves are not a bad rap group and once in a blue moon I enjoy listening to them for the sake of nostalgia. I think they went to crap after the Jokers cards were finished and their fans are the most ignorant excuses of human beings. They claim to be 'Underground' yet haven't been underground since the riddle box came out and they started seeking out a way to get signed by major labels like SONY for example (This is factual information by the way). Also, ISLAND records is an associate of Def Jam which in turn is a major label by itself so you can't help but wonder what ICP means when they tell their fans they are 'underground'.

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Underground artists be it rap or any other genre of music don't sell platinum albums, that is just ass backwards. I think ICP should go back to focusing on its 'Dark Carnival' and the try to maintain the sound they had during the days of the ring master and riddlebox. Milenko and Jake Jackyl is also a notable point in their career but afterwards, something changed with ICP.

The fans were bigger in numbers, yet less intelligent/mature and people started to get just a liiiitle bit obsessive. I can't count how many 'Juggalos' I meat that claim to be hardcore yet don't own rare releases such as the original Tunnel of love cassette or the great pandolum let alone the phat or wack sampler, Inner City Posse's basement cuts, or Dog Beats. Downloading is one thing but being an avid collector of memorabilia is an entirely different story. I think ICP's fans need to be put in check these days. Hello folks, it's your local hatemonger again, irionman, and this time I am here to review the Insane Clown Posse, or ICP for short.